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VuVu cry all you like, Robert is cutting the finances of the file lockers while you post.

VuVu do you understand how Ads actually pay the site they appear on?


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cvrle77 said:
Yes, big, fatass money.
Yes, PILES of it.
Same as torrents.

Take a look at this image:



ISOHunt also have 5 ads per one download page.
For one search you need 3 steps to get to desired link.
That makes 15 ad impresions.
Multiply that with 500K-1M daily users.
You can look at possibly 15M impressions a day.
Do you have ANY idea how much is that traffic worth?


Usenet. Do you know how much usenet providers pay affiliates for referring people?
Alot.

So, don't talk nonsense, really.
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These guys live in a world of their own. File lockers have to pay for servers, pay uploaders who earn money. Kim Dotcom made millions and to them it's all about free sharing. :facepalm:

It's people sharing pictures of their family or sharing documents with a few others because they can't be bothered to make an FTP. Legit Cloud hosting is cheap and everywhere.

All Stop File Lockers is doing is informing processors about the ones who break their rules. Like no porn, no piracy, etc. If the file locker can't abide by the processors rules, he shouldn't have processing.

They should use companies that don't break the rules if they don't want to suffer.
 
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"These guys live in a world of their own. File lockers have to pay for servers, pay uploaders who earn money. Kim Dotcom made millions and to them it's all about free sharing. :facepalm:"
Wonderful observation.
 
It's not crying, it's trying to explain to you that "file lockers" aren't all about getting paid to download. You do realize most FTP storage solutions cost a little bit of money? Hmm....wish there was a free way to do it. There is the exception of drop box, though it has alot of ups and downs. You just don't seem to get the big picture. You never will and never will try to understand it from any other side. You seem to believe a site streaming copyrighted material running ad's is fine because "they need to pay for the servers". That's the same as any PPD system. Both are making money over copyrighted material. Cutting off paypal is not the only way for advertisers to pay a site, in my experience most have the option to wire / send cheques.

About megaupload, I don't get why you seem to keep bringing it up. Yes they had a PPD that they took offline because of abuse. If that's running a piracy ring then damn are you mis informed. You don't think megaupload had server bills? By the looks of it you don't. There really is no point in explaining further to you as you just don't get it. DDL is just the first layer of the game. Piracy is and is always going to be big, technology evolves day after day and it will just be moved on to the next replacement to them. You've got to realize every system that gets taken down is replaced. Something you think you can control...you're funny.

@cvrle77 Just like Serj Tankian's song, the unthinking majority

PS. You do realize Robert is breaking paypal's TOS as well? Paypal does not support harassment campaigns of any sort like you and your little friends have been doing on GFY. Posting someones vital information "dox", death threats, bodily harm threats, going to be paying them a visit, hell even aids threats...As I said earlier it's funny how you guys act. Thinking your above everyone else. tisk tisk.
 
I want to touch on the credit card thing real quick.

This would have been about 8 or 9 years ago.Some of you may remember this.

Online gambling is illegal in the US.So the government wanted to shut the online gambling sites down,but they couldn't do it because the sites were hosted offshore.

Did the government give up? Of course not.What did they do? They pressured the cc companies into not allowing their cards to be used at online gambling sites.
Did the online gambling sites close? No.

Did that have any effect whatsoever on the number of people in the US gambling online? No,not at all.Why? Because the sites came up with new ways for people to load their accounts.

People will always find new ways of doing something as long as the demand is there & money is involved.
 
cvrle77 said:
ISOHunt also have 5 ads per one download page.
For one search you need 3 steps to get to desired link.
That makes 15 ad impresions.
Multiply that with 500K-1M daily users.
You can look at possibly 15M impressions a day.
Do you have ANY idea how much is that traffic worth?


Usenet. Do you know how much usenet providers pay affiliates for referring people?
Alot.

So, don't talk nonsense, really.
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Owners of torrents sites make some money with ads,true.
But people who uploading torrents doing this for FREE.
 
Let's be clear about this.

Many of best financial contributors to the Stop File Lockers campaign have at least guest access to our internal collaboration system. They see much of what goes on. Some of our contributors even have access to our closed portion of the collaboration system and are privy to the high level discussions, negotiations, agreements and ongoing progress on such matters.

It's worth noting that Moogie/Krylon tried to get in to this system. Firstly he asked in this thread if he could help, then he approached others in the system to ask if he could get in on the inside and help. Many hostile people are desperate for inside information on what we're doing.

Part of our success in this project can be attributed to the fact that most targets don't know they're going to be hit until they are wondering why they can't access thousands of illicitly gained dollars in various accounts. We do not share information about operational matters unless strategically advantageous to do so, the same goes for potential targets.

As for expenditure. It's a common theme amongst people commenting on media articles, pirate webmaster forums and so forth that we're getting rich from donations.

The facts are this:

Nobody gets paid for participating in the Stop File Lockers project.

The $6,057.50 raised in general donations has been helpful but is merely a fraction of what this project has cost to run. Even if you add in private donations we have fallen well short of expenditure, the rest of which has come out of my own pocket.

Below is a non exhaustive list of some of our expenditure.

1. 440 Collins Street. This is our public place of business and operation, where all inbound business communication heads, where we meet with parties associated with our efforts, where we meet with people we seek to have relationships with for our efforts, where our files and legal documentation is kept and where our secretarial support is based.

2. Accountants. Yes we have an accountant from a reputable Melbourne accountancy firm overseeing every cent that goes through Copy Control and providing advice on structure and accountancy matters for the Rights Holder Association in the process of being formed.

3. Lawyers: We have a client relationship with one of the best boutique specialist IP law firms in Australia. Legal advice and work is very expensive. Having one legal letter such as a general Cease and Desist notice (that can be relied upon in evidence) cost $400 to draft. Non disclosure agreements, of which we now have many, can cost $800 - $1000 each to draft.

4. Infrastructure. We pay for a dedicated server, VoIP services, Cloud Storage services, firewall and CDN services. All of which is required to conduct our business or to keep our services running in the face of a regular onslaught of attacks and hacking attempts.

5. Travel. In just the past two weeks I have been to meetings in Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and Sydney. A return flight, Melbourne to Sydney can cost $400+. Add in taxis, accommodation, meals and you start to add up the dollars.

6. Software: Every month we pay for Podio, Xero, Adobe Creative Cloud, there's $200 a month just for those three.

7. Software Development: We have also spent money on programmers. We've built our own forensic project management system which is specially built to streamline and manage our operation. Every detection, communication, infringement detected, infringement reported, payment processor history, payment processor correspondence, piracy site hosting history, piracy site ownership history, domain registrar history and so forth is recorded in this system. At a press of a button we can generate a detailed report for payment processors or law enforcement detailing everything we know about a file locker or other piracy site. This information can be relied upon because it has been recorded in a detailed and consistent manner with cross checking applied to help ensure accuracy.

Let's look at time volunteered.

I put in well over 60 - 70 hours a week on this project. All of it unpaid.

Nautilus tirelessly work to create reports, monitor repeat offenders, provides advice and assistance on future directions.

Eric from Remove Your Content provided a significant contribution for the time that he was involved.

DWB has been inside from the beginning and is a constant source of advice or opinion about future direction and progress.

There are others who aren't so visible, but still there working behind the scenes to help protect works owned by rights holders. Providing assistance where they can, providing advice or opinions and generally being supportive.

As for those faceless critics who say there's no proof we have shut down a single file locker, all I have to say is that we have been very plain that we never take credit for any closure of any site and there are reasons.

1. We don't want pirates to be sure, we want to keep them guessing about what's happened.
2. We don't want our efforts to be reverse engineered, we deliberately delay some announcements just for this reason, again we like to keep people guessing.
3. We don't want to legally jeopardise future possible prosecution or legal action that may arise from the investigations we conduct or those of third parties.

Unfortunately it's a fact of life that many of our critics are as vocal as they are stupid. They pollute this thread, comment threads on media reports, threads on piracy forums with flames, conspiracy theories, death threats, other threats, bravado, innuendo, false allegations of impropriety and so forth. We take these critics at face value for who they are and what they stand for.

Quote from AdultKing. Smells like a lot of bullshit right there.
 
xaxes said:
Owners of torrents sites make some money with ads,true.
But people who uploading torrents doing this for FREE.
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Not related to stopping file lockers, so your point is?

Piracy like all crimes will never be stopped, it will be reduced if it's fought against. The constant theme from all of you is if it can't be stopped 100% it shouldn't be reduced 50%. :facepalm:

You're all bleating because stop file lockers is hurting you. your reaction proves it works in some way.

Xaxes if you still have free torrents, why are you worried?

I suspect it's because you own, earn or use file lockers. Not to share pictures of your family, to share pirated material. So now you will think of the future and what to do when file lockers are banned from processing. Or just too risky because you will lose money with them.

Or close your eyes to the risk. Which is never bright.

How many here have had funds frozen to date?

http://rapidgator.net/article/unavailable
 
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I think AK is hidden in a bunker with lots of bodyguards :D

So you have some millionaire enemies (file lockers owners), maybe your life is not like before, no travel, no nothing?

while the manwin guy is counting money in his office you are being busted and demanded by those enemies.

Please don't try to be a hero. The only name involved in stop file lockers project is "Robert King". So you are getting all the shit and the others?
 
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Yes he's hidden away and terrified to let people know who he is. Like everyone else here. :facepalm:

I guess you can live in hope someone will stop him, then stop all the others, then stop mainstream, then all will be fine. 8-)
 
As stated before, you guys will never understand it. You're taking my context far from what it is. I personally have no connection to any file locker nor have I run one myself. Alot of the people here, easily the majority don't. People whom earn with DDL sites do not make much, if you got nothing to do in everyday life it's a nice introductory to making money on the internet. As for payment processing you seem to of failed to read mopar546's comment in regards to payment processors. Most of my comments are not to argue you with guys I'm just trying to show you that you can try but you will never prevail. The "push a button" statement...if anything ever went to court and you told a judge you pressed a button and had all your evidence in a few seconds...your lucky if they don't toss you out.


Since I know you guys will be bringing it up, I have never had one payment frozen. However I do not use paypal and never will. I have never posted on any media site whatsoever, there is no time for that when work is to be done. Sorta funny how you say you guys hide the reason they lost their payment processing but like posting it on the site...I could go on.

Me and some others in this thread have tried to explain it to you. Though you guys take it as hostility, advice is not hostile. Just to ask though, why are you on a forum that has alot of "pirate hosts/file lockers" ? You guys running the whole keep your friends close and your enemies closer? It will be a good show when Megabox is back up and running so you guys actually are picking on someone the same size as you seeing as you like to pick on the little guy. It's only a matter of time before paypal takes a look at the gfy thread and see's all the personal information and threats you guys are pushing.

When I'm into any form of discussion and a party starts name calling that's where I say I'm done with it. For you to resort to that just shows your upset and or mad about this. Good to see you're taking a page out of Eric's books.
 
VuVu I was thinking of replying to your post piece by piece, then realised you had made so many mistakes it was pointless. No you wouldn't of had a payment frozen if you didn't have any connection to a file locker or hadn't been caught yet. And thinking Robert needs to take on Kim Dotcom is foolish. KD is in the cross hairs of far bigger people.

What Stop File Lockers is doing, is pointing out to processors those who break their rules. The processors look at the evidence and make decision. His team have a huge task on their shoulders and they know it. Much like painting the Golden Gate Bridge. But if it's not painted, it rusts and falls into the bay.

The job however is getting easier, more are joining, more funding and he's gaining credibility with processors and making new contacts. His success can be measured here by all the anti posts. From you and others. I personally have no connection to any file locker nor have I run one myself. A lot of the people here, easily the majority don't. :facepalm:

Here's the solution for file lockers and uploaders who don't want to fall foul of the actions Stop File Lockers are taking. For File Lockers they find a payment process that allows them to process payments to download pirated content including porn. Or turns a blind to the reports. Then the uploaders go to those sites. Until Visa tell the bank to pull the account.

Or they take effective measure to ensure they stay within the contract they agreed with the processor. which means no piracy and no porn. If you're thinking of replying with "It can't be done." Then I will reply now with. "Then you can't process payments."

If you want to discuss, maybe we could discuss the contract/processing point. Because everything else is pointless.
 
coldcopy/stopfilelockers Robert King aka AdultKing

After a lot of research & digging, I have discovered that yes in fact Robert King has been renaming otherwise legal files with illegal titles so he doesn't get burned for uploading them. {fraud} He then makes a screen shot of the alleged "illegal file" & posts them to his site http://stopfilelockers.com/ {slander} Implying that Paypal sells "bestiality" & "pedo". He digs another hole by posting email replies from Paypal violating their email privacy policy. http://coldcopy.com.au/paypal-merry-go-round-complaints-ignored/

I looked up a few definitions regarding the content on his sites & his conduct then sent him robert[at]fastwebdomination.com, robert[at]adplus.com.au the following letter:

Robert King,
It has come to my attention that you have been manipulating payment processors with fraudulent pretenses. I intend to collaborate with file host site owners, affiliates, & premium membership purchasers to file a class action law suit. Allegations & actions sought may include, but not limited to:
1.) Computer Fraud and Abuse Act: 18 U.S.C. § 1030(e)(2), 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(2), 1151, S.Rept. 112-91 § 2111, 18 U.S.C. 1030, 18 U.S.C. § 1030(d)
2.) Electronic Communications Privacy Act: 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510
3.) Communications Act: 47 U.S.C. §§ 553 and 605
4.) National Stolen Property Act: 18 U.S.C. § 2314
5.) Misrepresentation of © claimant: § 202.3(a)(3)(ii)

I will also work with Paypal providing proof of your fraudulent activities, violation of privacy policy, & recommend that they seek legal action against you.

To which he has not replied.
 
Just to be safe before he decides to delete anything from the site, let's back it up.

Paypal conversations: http://www.freezepage.com/1350258367OKIGMSWSBQ

He posted the email on his site to gain a little support from his adult web supporters...lol. I would be more then happy to see if these "web masters" really had actual signed rights to use the content on their sites.

Edit: I don't think Robert knows you can charge a visa or mastercard without paypal.
 
filerking said:
Or they take effective measure to ensure they stay within the contract they agreed with the processor. which means no piracy and no porn. If you're thinking
of replying with "It can't be done." Then I will reply now with. "Then you can't process payments."
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Complete idiocy, and not even Paypal is going to accept such a ridiculous demand. First, let's discuss what "no piracy" means.

Some might assume that no piracy only means stay whithin the law, but SFL like other copyright maximalists argue that the amount of infringing content on a file host or the number of infringement claims are equivalent with facilitating piracy.

No service provider can't even hope to comply with such a condition unless it (1) Implements filtering/monitoring of all uploaded files; (2) Bans use of file encryption; (3) Require paper identification before any user is granted the privilege to upload/download and (4) Bans any anonymous use -- including free accounts and connections from VPN or IP obfuscating services.

Your proposal is therefore unworkable, unless you expect Paypal and other processors also to ban VPN, proxy and other services who can't guarantee no piracy.

Your logic proves in a nutshell why The Pirate Party's criticism of copyright enforcement is well founded.

Copyright enforcement can't coexist with the right to privacy and anonymity.
Your side got almost all it wanted in the DMCA, and even now you are bitching about the safe harbor being "unfair" to copyright holders.

If you want to take down anything, you can send the file host a valid DMCA notice. And if it's too expensive for you, perhaps you should hire more staff or find another job.
 
Thanks for the input! I think if everyone moves in this direction the black cloud of oppression might go away. Discussions in other groups about this always try to point back to ©.
File hosts sell memberships for premium access, what 3rd parties do is on them. MD5 tags are there for a reason. What SFL is doing is not fair to anyone that wants to monetize original content.
Anyone that wishes to file a complaint may do so by email here:
abuse@cloudflare.com, ipadmin@websitewelcome.com, abuse@ausregistry.com.au

& By web:
https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse/

When I sent a copy of the letter to: abuse@privacyprotect.org they didn't feel so inclined to protect his privacy anymore.

PrivacyProtect.org Abuse Desk
2:08 AM (17 hours ago)

to me,
Hello,

Kindly note that Privacy Protect is just a service which disables Registrant's actual details to be displayed in the whois look up of the domain name.

We request you to update us with the complaint in a feasible manner.

Kindly be aware that any abuse complaint should be given to the registrar of the domain name. You may find the registrar details of any domain name at http://domainwhitepages.com/

Regards,
PrivacyProtect Abuse Desk



Ticket Details
Ticket ID: UDF-869-75189

That led to:
http://whois.ausregistry.com.au/who...85DBD17B50CB97CC12E722B?tab=0&t=1350232106752

Whois response for coldcopy.com.au:


Domain Name coldcopy.com.au
Last Modified 27-Jun-2012 15:20:17 UTC
Registrar ID TPP Wholesale
Registrar Name TPP Wholesale Pty Ltd
Status ok
Registrant KING, ROBERT JAMES
Registrant ID ABN 39026527516
Eligibility Type Citizen/Resident
Eligibility Name KING, ROBERT JAMES
Eligibility ID ABN 39026527516
Registrant Contact ID KIRO1215
Registrant Contact Name Robert King
Registrant Contact Email robert@fastwebdomination.com
Tech Contact ID HBY9KKN
Tech Contact Name Robert King
Tech Contact Email robert@adplus.com.au
Name Server ns61.hostgator.com
Name Server ns62.hostgator.com


Always note when writing SFL/CC's network servers that they can be held liable for his fraudulent & illegal content.

Also, report his facebook/twitter for displaying illegal pornographic content:
http://www.facebook.com/ColdCopy
https://twitter.com/coldcopy
 
yes this how it should be done. he is misspresenting everything in a way that benefits him using every means possible from violating the TOS and AUP of the same companies he is cooperating with ! thats gotta come and bite him in the .... . i fully support this course and will help in every possible. he is trying the pull a black curtain over everything remotely related to file hosting. god knows how many legitimate businesses he has destroyed so far
 
Looks like he's running scared, grasping @ straws. He still wont disclose how much more than $6,057.50 was donated entirely by Manwin, owner of all porntube sites.

Last Updated On:18-Sep-2012 12:28:37 UTC
Expiration Date:09-Jun-2013 07:31:04 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:DomainPeople, Inc. (R30-LROR)
Status:OK
Registrant ID:90b4178726be119d
Registrant Name:Domain Manager
Registrant Organization:Copy Control Pty. Limited
Registrant Street1:PO Box 454
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Clifton Hill
Registrant State/Province:VIC
Registrant Postal Code:3068
Registrant Country:AU
Registrant Phone:+61.390057668
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:backoffice@copycontrol.org
Admin ID:90b4178726be119d
Admin Name:Domain Manager
Admin Organization:Copy Control Pty. Limited
Admin Street1:PO Box 454
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Clifton Hill
Admin State/Province:VIC
 
Great post. Even though we have received our paypal back from paypal. Any filehost that has been harassed by Robert King, or his company copy control, and his harassment affected your business, I advise you to report the account stopfilelockers@websitepayments.com.au for his harassment activity to paypal, for violation of their AUP and TOS:

9. Restricted Activities.
9.1 Restricted Activities. In connection with your use of our website, your Account, the PayPal Services, or in the course of your interactions with PayPal, other Users, or third parties, you will not:

e. Act in a manner that is defamatory, trade libelous, threatening or harassing;
f. Provide false, inaccurate or misleading information;
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I think if a handful of you of the 500 or so he says he had canceled, messaged paypal about his activities, he can have a taste of his own medicine.

He loves feeding the morons at GFY. They believe anything, even how he had mediafires PP account taken, when at torrentfreak, mediafire clearly stated they stopped using paypal before any action was taken. Also, how he got POSOnline.it's merchant accounts taken away. Hmm. just visited the site, looks like they're operating normally. He also was responsible for Killing Filereactor. (LOL?) He probably will try to claim he was responsible for RG's CC troubles as well. If he actually had anything to do with any merchant accounts, or visa or mastercard, why would he need to spam his twitter account with his 'avangate' posts?
StopFileLockers Why does @avangate process payments for merchants who distribute pirate software from their other customers ? #piracy #eCommerce #copyright
2 days ago · reply · retweet · favorite
StopFileLockers Did you know that @avangate profits from software piracy ? #copyright #piracy #eCommerce #B2C
2 days ago · reply · retweet · favorite
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If he had any type of influence which he tries to lead all those idiots at GFY, why couldn't he just deal with Visa and MC directly? Hmmm.

This guy is so pathetic. Doing anything he can to make the lemmings at GFY think he's the one responsible for anything that happens to any filehost. and they believe he actually had anything to do with any of those. Time to beg for money again I guess. He must have to have some pretty expensive documents drafted, or go on some trips for his 'meetings' in south east asia. You know there are some big mainstream rightsholders there, that are dying to get onboard his project. He still wont say how much Manwin has given him. Also theres some posts at GFY which discovered that manwin run some pretty large file lockers, to which he posts nothing about. Another Hmmmm. :)

Also to the big girl RubyGoodnight, no, we aren't cheating anyone, if their stats suck, their stats suck. End of story. We elected to have our threads closed here. Get your stories straight.

By the way Robert, that legal document you said you were sending me last week. Hmm. strange thing. It never came? In the mail still I presume?
 
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