Site owner stealing other site owners GFX !?

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You really think there's no rules in warez? You think all of us promote stealing from each other? Warez sites aren't run by the common thief, they're usually run from university students or graduates. Which do have a sense of morality and do what's right. You forget, the point of warez is to spread information and enjoyment to the people who can't afford it, not just steal for the sake of stealing.
So yes, I expect a sense of decency from these admins and you.

ps. Stop comparing warez to stealing, there is a lot of differences.
For the dumbasses that say "what are they"
1. We don't steal out of necessity
2. Our only goal is to help others
3. No one is hurt from our actions except a ceo's third pool (except small developers, and we actually do try and help them)
You should be able to think about others yourself.

"3. No one is hurt from our actions except a ceo's third pool (except small developers, and we actually do try and help them)"

If nobody is getting hurt from warez, then stealing your forum's logo, banner or template doesn't hurt you or anyone either.

What you are basically saying its apparently ok to steal movies & games because you think its spreading "information (lol)" but its somehow wrong to rip a skin? Hell I see half the warez sites using nulled ripped skins from ElegantThemes and other popular web designers and yet its cool coz you don't know the guy and don't care about his losses.

"2. Our only goal is to help others"

Yes, if you allow another warez webmaster to steal your forum's skin and buttons, you are also helping him.
 
First of all,
I know at least 5 designers who took background images for their styles from various graphic communities, and they didn't ask the creator of it. Why? Because you don't have to.
On graphic communities if you put something under resources then it's meant to be used by other people. That's the whole point of a graphics forum.
The owner puts his image on there knowing and hoping someone will use it. If he didn't want them to use it, he would put his name all over it. The websites owner obviously did not want people taking his images or he wouldn't have created this thread. So you can try again and give me another example of your designers stealing images that were not allowed to be taken.

And if you really think that Katz rank mean something, you have no idea about anything. Katz rank is something, that average Joe can get in few months. Eventually, everyone gets his 5 stars. So that's nothing special, you can't expect from a site which is using Katz to be unique, or professional. Those who are using Katz as their main traffic source, are the starters. Those who just started their Webmaster career, so they have no other knowledge or ideas how to bring the visitors.

Ah but katz does tell us something, first off 4* requires about 5 months to reach. So that tells me it's not a new site, which means the webmaster should by now have gone past the phase of stealing other peoples work and making his own. If he hasn't then he's just another kid.
And about that other thing, "comparing warez to stealing." . Unfortunately, it is the same.

1. You steal for the money. If it wasn't out of "necessity", you'd have a private forum or a private torrent tracker for your friends.

2. ORLY? By uploading new Dexter episode to some shitty file host who is giving you the points? Really helpful.

3. Everyone is hurt. You guys never actually think about the guy who wrote/directed the movie. Or about the singer, do you really think he likes to get his movie/album get leaked by some kid who never actually watched the movie, or listened to the album? I can assure you he DON'T LIKE IT. And no one would. So stop acting like some new age Robin Hood, when you're not.
1. I don't make money off my forum, and I know a lot of admins that don't either. I never created a site for the intention to make money, and so did all the good communities.
2. lol, when I used to upload, it was to rapidshare only, and only to get enough points to renew rapidshare, not to take that into my pocket. Nowadays I don't upload anymore, I actually lose money because I have a seperate box that I allow other people to upload for me. Some do it because they like to, others do it for the points. I wouldn't hire the people that do it for the points, but sadly the scene turned into this money grab place because of people like you.
3. Alright, there are a lot of people hurt but it's not our doing. Upcoming musicians that care about music just want enough money to live off of, but the record company pretty much takes all of their earnings. As for movie producers, most people on the set are paid a fixed salary and only some people make money according to their boxoffice viewings. Either way, those people usually earn more then enough to have a comfortable lifestyle.
But then look at the other side, look at how many people we gave the chance to become GFX Designers. Almost all of them wouldn't exist if photoshop wasn't cracked. By simply downloading word you save some money, and can use it to buy yourself a few more meals and still keep up with school.

Honestly if you're so against warez why the hell are you here? You're even the worst type, that try and profit off it and still are against it?
If you think we're all so bad go to the police office and turn yourself in.
 
i think what everyones getting at is you should respect other sites admire them etc not go oh i like that guest banner i think i'll copy it to my forum.

yes its warez yes we steal movies that cost money. but remember at the end of the day the person that created the image most likely did it free. hes not making money from it unlike some fat slob sitting behind a desk going hey lets blow up a car then a bus then a helicopter and have loads of people pretending to fight and then we will sell it for millions.

this is where the difference is with people that copy others gfx/etc they lack one thing and thats respect.
 
@prazsky you're absolutely right it doesn't affect me at all, but you seem to have gone past my point.

All those things were arguments against why warez is not stealing, and to people's replies of "dude you're in warez, deal with it"

Not about the forum owner ripping images.
Now about that guy, since no one really responded I just want to ask a question.

Do we all agree that the admin who stole the pictures is a little noob?

If you're a 5 months old you should have been able to pay for a skin and not use the ripped version. New websites obviously will use nulled skins and that's fine, everyone does it, but there's a point where you grow out of it.
 
On graphic communities if you put something under resources then it's meant to be used by other people. That's the whole point of a graphics forum.
The owner puts his image on there knowing and hoping someone will use it. If he didn't want them to use it, he would put his name all over it. The websites owner obviously did not want people taking his images or he wouldn't have created this thread. So you can try again and give me another example of your designers stealing images that were not allowed to be taken.
Where did I say it was under the resources? I think I never said that. It was just in their "show off" threads. And they never stated anyone could use them. And come on, seriously, hardly anyone puts watermark on his work. Except those who know that people would claim their work as theirs. Well, the truth is he didn't like it. But he can't do anything about it, it's same like a rapist wanting the protection from the police. I think you understand what I'm trying to say.

Ah but katz does tell us something, first off 4* requires about 5 months to reach. So that tells me it's not a new site, which means the webmaster should by now have gone past the phase of stealing other peoples work and making his own. If he hasn't then he's just another kid.
Katz doesn't tell you anything. I don't know anything about those stars, as I never used Katz or any other DDL. And I'm proud of it, it's absurd to wait 5 months for another star. You do realize that if a forum is good, and professional, he would get the 5 stars right away, without waiting. But that's hardly going to happen, because every new forum is far more worse than the previous one.

1. I don't make money off my forum, and I know a lot of admins that don't either. I never created a site for the intention to make money, and so did all the good communities.
Again, I don't know you. And I really don't know do you make money off your forum or not. And frankly, I really don't care. As it's none of my business. And I guess I'm wrong, it seems you're one of the good guys. Ones who are creating their forums as communities, not as "link dumpsters". But there's no need to feel offended (if you do) , because this is just a discussion. Most of the things I wrote in the previous reply, weren't aimed for you directly, it was just because of the things you wrote. As Prazsky said, you basically said that uploading/sharing of movies,music, applications, is good. And really, it's not. When you said that, I thought you were some confused kid who uploads to get some money.

2. lol, when I used to upload, it was to rapidshare only, and only to get enough points to renew rapidshare, not to take that into my pocket. Nowadays I don't upload anymore, I actually lose money because I have a seperate box that I allow other people to upload for me. Some do it because they like to, others do it for the points. I wouldn't hire the people that do it for the points, but sadly the scene turned into this money grab place because of people like you.
Just one little question ... Why because of people like "ME"? I'm pretty much against everything, and you could notice that almost everyone here hates me because of my comments on threads related to uploading and warez. I'm strongly against this new "scene".

3. Alright, there are a lot of people hurt but it's not our doing. Upcoming musicians that care about music just want enough money to live off of, but the record company pretty much takes all of their earnings. As for movie producers, most people on the set are paid a fixed salary and only some people make money according to their boxoffice viewings. Either way, those people usually earn more then enough to have a comfortable lifestyle.
But then look at the other side, look at how many people we gave the chance to become GFX Designers. Almost all of them wouldn't exist if photoshop wasn't cracked. By simply downloading word you save some money, and can use it to buy yourself a few more meals and still keep up with school.
You're the part of it if you think it's ok. Depends about which musicians you're trying to tell me. I don't care about that Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, and those faggot rappers like Soulja Boy. Their music is crap, so sharing/uploading/re-uploading of their music doesn't affect me at all. But, leeching all albums from some good band, who isn't with major label, is really gay. It wouldn't be on a private torrent tracker if it was meant to be shared with everyone. That's the whole point, if torrent trackers were a little bit more restricted, everything would be fine. And there would be no kiddie leechers, when some kid leeches discography of some not so well known band from a private torrent tracker, and upload it to all file hosts to get some points, another kid will re-upload his links, with some RDP as he like to say that his upload speed is slow (CRY ME A RIVER!) , other guy will download it, and burn it on the cd, and sell it, it will be pretty much leaked around the world. So what's the chance of band earning money from the CD's sale? Only the true fans will buy their CD. But 90% of them will DOWNLOAD it. So REALLY think about it. It's not like you think.
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Honestly if you're so against warez why the hell are you here? You're even the worst type, that try and profit off it and still are against it?
If you think we're all so bad go to the police office and turn yourself in.
I'm not against the "warez", I have another meaning of warez in my head. And it always stayed the same. I like to analyze things a lot, so I was never able to start thinking about it like you, or some uploader. I don't even have a warez site, and I did try to make one, a private one for my country. Unfortunately, people from my country, are lazy greedy fucks who don't want to get a REAL JOB. And they even think that selling of phished RapidShare accounts is LEGAL.

And yeah, I could turn my self in. If it was meant to be, I'd be in jail long time ago, as I did some things I'm ashamed of. And it's nothing like warez, something far more serious, fraud related. Anyways, it wasn't my intention to get you so angry.

However, I won't a hold a grudge on you because of this, this is just a discussion. :P

Cheers...
 
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"That's the whole point, if torrent trackers were a little bit more restricted, everything would be fine."

Right, restrict it more how? If someone leeches shit off a private tracker, good luck finding out who it is, even if you only have 500 members.

Also take a look at iTunes sales
 
As far as this whole high and mighty debate goes about webmasters helping other webmasters, respect and most being university students or well educated was once very much the case but times change.

A few years ago you had to have a lot of skill, knowledge and help from others to start a site. You couldn't just upload a script. Enter a chosen admin name and password and click install or click on import theme if you fancied a re-design or new look. The only way to start, run and customize a site was with the help of others.

Traffic was also required a lot more work. It wasn't just a case of remote upload some links to another host and submit to DDL's.

Everything has become a lot more automated and a hell of a lot easier with mods, plugins and themes as well as rapidleech, sborg and multiposters. With these advances and file hosts now paying uploaders thousands of new warez sites appear daily and it's less mature, less educated and more money hungry people that start.

If I think of the 10 most helpful people on WJunction most have being around for years as they are from a time where the only way to grow was by helping each other.

The amount of new webmasters that are truly helpful without looking for personal gain is decreasing. Charging for uploads, charging for a logo, charging for forum icons, charging to click "Next" 13 times to install vBulletin. Kids starting hosting, harassing DDL owners for re-rates (original topic creator included) and at the end of it all you can't understand why you don't have the respected rank while you preach about respect and helping the greater good.

Most of the people in this topic have disappointed me claiming they know the reason behind warez or saying they do while their actions speak differently.

How can you claim he shouldn't have taken it out of respect when you'd have charged him to make him one? Take a long close at yourself and ask what you've done to help before pointing the finger.
 
As far as this whole high and mighty debate goes about webmasters helping other webmasters, respect and most being university students or well educated was once very much the case but times change.

A few years ago you had to have a lot of skill, knowledge and help from others to start a site. You couldn't just upload a script. Enter a chosen admin name and password and click install or click on import theme if you fancied a re-design or new look. The only way to start, run and customize a site was with the help of others.

Traffic was also required a lot more work. It wasn't just a case of remote upload some links to another host and submit to DDL's.

Not really.

A few years ago if you had a little knowledge, upload kDDL, add recent searches, and you got yourself 20+k google within a few weeks.

If you didn't know how to do that (recent searches was fairly unknown) install 0daydb, leech some posts, and start submitting to Katz & Phaze, and you got yourself 10k uniques within 2 weeks as well.

It's actually a lot harder to get traffic nowdays. Katz sends less, Phaze sends less, and google sucks these days.

Ontopic: Who cares if he stole some gfx. Be proud
 
Sorry jason for saying you specifically. Since you assumed that I was only in warez for the money was the reason I assumed you were in it for money.

I like to think the sites that last for years are governed by knowledgable admins. So when I see a site that's been around for 5 months (even if that's still young) I expect more from an admin. That's the reason I am so against it. I don't really care about 2 pictures, but it has to be bigger then that. Because if he can't make 2 small images, imagine all the other stuff he rips.

And I'm still sticking with my comment that there's webmasters still in it for the general good and not making money, we just need to find each other.
 
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